I recently decided to join the Labour Party. Obviously, I disagree with the Labour Party about rather a lot of things, but, as some kind of social democrat, I feel, much like so many of the backbenchers prepared to reduce a majority of 66 to 1, I suppose, that the Labour Party is the best vehicle for the achievement of a progressive politics in this country, and that battles over what counts as progressive politics ought to be fought within it. I didn't vote Labour at the last election - when, I hasten to add, I wasn't a party member - but in a way, my refusal to vote in favour of appallingly mismanaged, deceitfully presented and suspiciously neo-imperialist Middle-Eastern adventures and the more or less total absence of any coherent plan to lift millions out of social exclusion, deprivation and, in many cases, poverty, except where it could be made to fit the over-riding desire to pander to the wildly misleading agenda of rabid dogs of the Tory Right, was for much the same reason as I joined: I want to do whatever I can to drag the Labour Party away from the centre-right, which is where it now is, and back to the centre-left, if not further.
So, for example, you'd think I'd welcome the chance to give, as an email I recieved today offered, '[my] views on fighting terrorism'. Unfortunately, I'm not really being offered a chance to give 'my views on fighting terrorism', I'm being asked to participate in a shameless publicity exercise which will then be used as the basis of beating recalcitrant backbenchers into line on the grounds that 'the party in country supports our unquenchable desire to lock up the innocent and criminalise those who think that there are circumstances under which political violence is acceptable'.
It links to a questionaire. Let's take it question by question:
Do you think that our laws should be updated to cope with the current security threat?
OK, now maybe there's a case for changing the law to cope with the current security threat. The use of wiretaps as evidence in court, which the government apparently now opposes, might be one step. Perhaps there are others: I'm not sure. The point is, there are, plausibly at least, questions to be asked about that, a debate to be had. That's not what the question seeking to do though, because the possible answers are 'yes', 'no', and 'don't know'. If the aim was to initiate a discussion, there'd be some presentation of the alternatives, an explanation of the current situation some means by which to actually have a discussion, rather than just exhaust my opinion on the matter by an aye, a nay, or an abstention on the rather vague question of whether we should change the laws, the details of which could be anything, in some utterly unspecified way.
The problem is what the meaning of 'updated' is, because if we knew what the update was, then there'd be something concrete we could refer to, and then we'd have some basis for making a decision. I have this sneaking suspicion that what 'updated' is means here is 'updated in the manner which we, when scribbling on the back of an envelope and thinking about ways to please the Daily Mail and the Police Federation, decided to try and foist on the country by appealing to their baser instincts'. I think this because, well, using 'updated' instead of saying that sounds so much better, and that'd be really helpful when it's what you're trying to do, despite people telling you it's not a good idea and doing their level best to stop you. So, with that meaning of 'updated', what the question is asking is, 'do you think that our laws should be changed so that the state can more or less arbitrarily imprison people for three months and prosecute them for thinking there are occassions where those, other than agents of the American or British states, are entitled to use political violence?' If you didn't know that though, you could be confused: you could think that it actually meant 'do you think that, in some circumstances, laws might need to be changed to meet new challenges?'
The next one:
Do you think police should have the time and opportunity to complete their investigations into suspected terrorists?
Now, the thing here is, there's a problem with what 'time and opportunity' means. I do think the police should have time and opportunity to complete their investigations into suspected terrorists. Fourteen days is plenty of time and opportunity. I'd say, you can find a lot of things about someone out in fourteen days, if you try, especially if you've already got grounds for suspecting them of being a terrorist. I'm not sure that that's what the question's asking though, because, well, no-one thinks that the police shouldn't have the time and opportunity to complete their investigations into suspected terrorists, but lots of people disagree about what is enough time and opportunity, given that imprisoning people who have not been charged with any crime, let alone convicted of one, is generally thought to be a bit morally suspect. Given that it's not really very interesting to ask questions when everyone will give the same answer, I think that, just maybe, the point is to impose one, rather contentious, reading of 'time and opportunity' on the question, say 'however long and with whatever abrogations of rights the police, those noted guardians of the rights of the accused, feel they might be able to screw out of a government so desperate not to be outflanked on the right on law and order they are undergoing a kind of permanent revolution where drawing cries of amazement from every sane individual is the standard by which proposals gain consideration'.
The final one:
Do you think the government should make sure there are new safeguards to protect innocent people?
The problem here is that if you want proper answers to a question, it needs to actually ask something, not just offer up totally banal sentiments for approval: amazingly, I'm confident that most people think that additional protection for the innocent is a good thing, although I find it difficult to see what that has to do with terrorism policy, since the point of that is that we take for granted we aim protect innocents, and ask about how we do that, making affirmations of the morally unquestionable aim of the policy fairly f*cking pointless.
Granted, I shouldn't be surprised by this. Dressing your violations of civil liberties up in the language of uncontroversial moral or political truths is surely one of the oldest and most used tricks in the book. I just have this attachment to the obviously insufficiently shiny and new idea that if you're honest with people, if you can explain yourself clearly and simply, without equivocation, without vagueness, some of the time you can lift some of the scales from some of their eyes and if you persist, in end, you should be able to lift most of the scales from most of their eyes. You might call it an Enlightenment faith in truth and reason. You might think it was central to the mission of any progressive party, any party which has roots, however deep, in the Enlightenment vision of a better world made better by the people who live in it. Apparently not.
Friday, November 04, 2005
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I recently decided to join the Labour Party. Obviously, I disagree with the Labour Party about rather a lot of things, but, as some kind of social democrat, I feel, much like so many of the backbenchers prepared to reduce a majority of 66 to 1, I suppose, that the Labour Party is the best vehicle for the achievement of a progressive politics in this country, and that battles over what counts as progressive politics ought to be fought within it.
I realise you're younger than me, but I have to say that this is an extraordinary and perverse move. My final break with Labour was in 1997; I've seen nothing since then to make me reconsider, and quite a lot - particularly in the last year - to make me think I was too charitable.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics. I'll always be sceptical of market research type statistics, particularly having taken part in both sides of questionnaires and surveys.
As for the decision to join Labour, interesting. I take it you also did [join].
Phil,
what's a better vehicle? Neither of the other two main parties, and I don't hold out much hope of the Greens or Respect breaking through in any major way. Then you're outside of participation in parliamentary politics, which strikes me as something of a barrier to actually achieving anything substanial. And what do you say to someone like Bob Marshall-Andrews, or even Glenda Jackson?
Robert Jubb's comment reminds me of the Simpons episode where the aliens take over the bodies of both the Democrat and Republican candidates.
When they are discovered they just laugh and say "Go on then, vote for a third party, waste your vote"
Someone has to be the first to take a stand or this mindset will just continue forever.
By the way, are you seriously saying that the Lib-Dems are as bad as Tony Blair? I wouldn't vote for them myself. I would rather vote for the Greens or Respect or an independent candidate and "waste my vote". But, if you really have this "have to follow the herd" attitude, the Lib-Dems are nowhere near as bad as Labour has now become.
Firstly, parliamentary politics isn't the be-all and end-all - let alone parliamentary politics as defined by the major parties of the day. Looking at it in historical perspective, there's no necessary reason why there should be a major political party whose politics you find even slightly palatable, let alone a good approximation to your own. In some periods a new party needs to be built from scratch; in some periods even that isn't possible. (Think yourself back a hundred years - would you advise against involvement in insignificant fringe groupings like the Labour Party?)
Secondly, the Liberal Democrats are orders of magnitude less bad than New Labour - on civil libertarian issues most of all. The last Labour literature we had through the door was largely devoted to attacking the Lib Dems for failing to endorse Labour's various current moral panics (drugs, guns, anti-social behaviour...) Needless to say, I felt the comparison was entirely to the Lib Dems' credit.
Thirdly, what I say to Bob Marshall-Andrews (and his ilk) is that, while on some occasions they may have mitigated the effects of the New Labour programme, they have done nothing of any consequence to end the reign of the New Labour clique - which has done far more long-term damage to the Labour Party, and its constituency than a mid-1990s split would have done. In short, while they're voting the Blair line on anything, they're part of the problem.
I voted Labour whenever I could from roughly 1980 to 1996. I was briefly quite impressed by Kinnock, but I spent most of that time despairing at Labour's endless retreat from social-democratic principle. But New Labour is something else. In all seriousness, the government which was elected in 1997 was monstrously right-wing (both economically and socially) relative to Labour's entire history to date - and since then they've only moved further to the Right.
As for 'achieving anything substantial', Iraq? Tuition fees? PFI? Control orders? The Civil Contingencies Act? There's a character in La Peste who's described - without any apparent irony - as a saint, because he stays in bed all day and never does anyone any harm. Looking at this government's substantial achievements, I'll take Camus' version of saintliness any day.
Couple of postscripts to my comment.
Re Lib Dems:
Kennedy in the Graun
Re politics and historical possibility, I'm often reminded of a couple of lines of dialogue from Victor Serge:
"What's to be done if it's midnight in the century?"
"Midnight's where we'll have to live, then."
(Still, it could be worse. It could be raining.)
Speaking as a 'centre left' kind of gal, I went with the Lib Dems (although admittedly, I do have a family connection there). I used to have respect for 'Old' Labour, even if I didn't always agree with them. I can't even muster up pity for this craven lot.
Phil,
as you'll probably notice, I've put up a kind of response, which mainly deals with the first of your three points. On the second, whilst I grant that the Lib Dems are superior to the current Labour government on civil liberties, I'm not sure that they are preferable across the whole of their programme, or that they wouldn't succumb to the temptation to appeal to the red-tops if they thought it would do them any good. On the third, I feel you're being a bit harsh: rebel MPs should have voted against the law establishing a minimum wage, pitiful as it is, on your claim, which I find odd. Also, the other post should make it clear I'm not claiming substanial achievements for this government.
Robert,
I will be the first to admit that we would appear to occupy different quadrants of the political compass. I am one of your "baby-eating" right libertarians. (I'll just say for the time being that economic and social freedom seem kind of consistent to me)
But you are spot on here: this labour poll is nothing short of disgusting. This use of the "have you stopped beating your wife?" form shows some really rather unpleasant authoritarian undercurrents...
Toodle Pip!
P-G
We need another realignment. The old left/right split with two broad churches isn't relevent any more.
On the second, whilst I grant that the Lib Dems are superior to the current Labour government on civil liberties, I'm not sure that they are preferable across the whole of their programme, or that they wouldn't succumb to the temptation to appeal to the red-tops if they thought it would do them any good.
I don't think they would, as a lapsed member and with many friends still in the party, it's part of the basic ideals. Look at the flack they got over the abolishing of compulsory life from the Tories in May, they stuck to it regardless.
They can't, unfortunately, win on their own. Pending a proper realignment, something needs to happen. There are decent, honest Labour people. Shame the authoritarians took control and the Elephant is using the US style 'liberal as a dirty word' attack tactic.
They can't, unfortunately, win on their own. Pending a proper realignment, something needs to happen.
The redoutable Meaders - who is active in Respect, which makes him a good source on bad news about the Lib Dems - has frequently raised the prospect of a Lib Dem/Tory coalition in order to frighten wavering lefties away from the Lib Dems. Channel Four News the other day had a joint interview with David Davis and Mark Oaten, standing shoulder to shoulder against Blair's 90 days. The thought crossed my mind - speaking as a libertarian socialist - that, compared to this lot, a Lib Dem/Tory coalition might not be that bad...
Yup, I've been saying that since I started me blog. I've got a big write up planned, but life's in the way at the moment...
If we can get NuLab out of power, then maybe people like yourself can reassert control over the nannies.
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